Elf's in the city...

Kaat · Post by **Kaat** » Fri Jul 04, 2003 8:52 am

I was wondering if there is anyway to disguise the fact that my character is a Elf in the City of Mikona, as I would like to adventure there without upsetting the locals!

Sindol · Post by **Sindol** » Fri Jul 04, 2003 8:56 am

No, unfortunately there isn't. The only way NWN will let you determine race, is by querying it from your character file: it sees right through all equipment. I wish it was possible to implement some kind of diguise skill, but this is not possible with the current NWN limitations AFAIK.

Aradan Kir · Post by **Aradan Kir** » Fri Jul 04, 2003 9:04 am

Just a question on this - the war is stated as being between M'Chek and T'Nanshi, so why is it that humans are attacked in M'Chek, and Elves in Mikona?

I know that these two nations are predominently of these races, but Aradan for example is a native to neither land, but only gets attacked in T'Nanshi, even if he is non-hostile.

Would it not be better for there to be no attacks from either side, unless the person is a confirmed soldier of an enemy force, or instigates the hostile action?

Sindol · Post by **Sindol** » Fri Jul 04, 2003 9:35 am

Aradan Kir wrote:Just a question on this - the war is stated as being between M'Chek and T'Nanshi, so why is it that humans are attacked in M'Chek, and Elves in Mikona?

Ye got it tha wrong way 'round mac.

Aradan Kir wrote: I know that these two nations are predominently of these races, but Aradan for example is a native to neither land, but only gets attacked in T'Nanshi, even if he is non-hostile.

If it looks like parsley and it smells like parsley, it will surely be parsley?

Aradan Kir wrote: Would it not be better for there to be no attacks from either side, unless the person is a confirmed soldier of an enemy force, or instigates the hostile action?

M'Chek regular: Hey, look a pointy eared one, he is wearing no uniform, but how can we be sure he's not a spy?
M'Chek officer: we can't let's kill him, just to make sure.

Conclusion: If you look like parsley and smell like parsley, better stay away from the rabbits, cause they will eat you.

HarveyH · Post by **HarveyH** » Fri Jul 04, 2003 9:45 am

I am missing something here....

Harvey definitely does NOT look like parsley, but the elves are still shooting at him...

Sindol · Post by **Sindol** » Fri Jul 04, 2003 9:50 am

HarveyH wrote:I am missing something here....

Harvey definitely does NOT look like parsley, but the elves are still shooting at him...

Verily I did not speak of elves, I spoke of rabbits. Are they shooting at you as well? No, I don't think so...

kombinat · Post by **kombinat** » Fri Jul 04, 2003 9:56 am

Harvey, it's the lack of eyebrows.... you're freaking them out...

HarveyH · Post by **HarveyH** » Fri Jul 04, 2003 11:06 am

kombinat wrote:Harvey, it's the lack of eyebrows.... you're freaking them out...

Careful here... that's a quite sensitive subject with Harvey. And we don't want him to be upset, do we?

So please don't make fun of his hair. Thank you.

Post by **Nighthawk4** » Fri Jul 04, 2003 11:34 am

It does seem a little unfair that ALL Humans and ALL Elves are included in this. One of my characters in from Jechren rather than M'Chek, but she is still unwelcome in Le'Or'T'Nanshi.

However, I think Sindol is right - the NWN engine does not allow this to be determined. Only your Race counts. Uncomfortably like Real Life - racists do not usually worry about where you come from - only your Race is considered significant.

This is one of the reasons that racism is so wrong - generalisations are always wrong

HarveyH · Post by **HarveyH** » Fri Jul 04, 2003 12:12 pm

Nighthawk4 wrote:generalisations are always wrong

But they keep the soldiers in both armies alive....

"Shall we shoot him, sarge?"

"Better not, there's this 20% chance he's not from M'Chek but from some other place. We don't want any generalisations, do we?"

*spy returns to his own side of the front with vital information*

That won't do of course....

Nighthawk4 wrote:generalisations are always wrong

It might be slightly politically incorrect, but: I don't agree

Aradan Kir · Post by **Aradan Kir** » Fri Jul 04, 2003 1:54 pm

Sindol wrote:
Aradan Kir wrote:Just a question on this - the war is stated as being between M'Chek and T'Nanshi, so why is it that humans are attacked in M'Chek, and Elves in Mikona?
Ye got it tha wrong way 'round mac.

Ah .... not the wrong way round, but what I meant was :

"humans attacked in T'Nanshi"

anyway .....

Another question : are there any humans in the T'Nanshi army, or any elves in the M'Chek one? If so, how is that dealt with ??

kombinat · Post by **kombinat** » Fri Jul 04, 2003 3:25 pm

As soon as Harvey lays off alchemical experimenting, discovering all the new potions I'm sure the eyebrows will grow back... but until then...

Jordicus · Post by **Jordicus** » Fri Jul 04, 2003 3:43 pm

Vroshgrak · Post by **Vroshgrak** » Fri Jul 04, 2003 5:40 pm

Aradan Kir wrote:Another question : are there any humans in the T'Nanshi army, or any elves in the M'Chek one? If so, how is that dealt with ??

i know rien is a human in the tnanshi army. and anton too. So im sure that the elves dont have a problem with getting humans fighting for them.

I heard of an elf that fights for mchek, but i havent seen him around. So it is done, and works out fine.

Anyway, can we please get it so opposing army NPCs are auto hostile???
i liked it how it was, and someone has to go and fek it up by making them not hostile to me. grrrrrr, or even theyll be neutral but be swing their swords. doesnt seem to neutral.

Melakin Skywieder · Post by **Melakin Skywieder** » Fri Jul 04, 2003 9:06 pm

M'Chek regular: Hey, look a pointy eared one, he is wearing no uniform, but how can we be sure he's not a spy?
M'Chek officer: we can't let's kill him, just to make sure.

It would however be interesting to have spies, ie those humans or elves that fight for the other side.

And no I don't mean an excuse to go in a slaughter NPC in Le'Or or Mikona that can already be done.

For example, my character is human but lives in TNanshi. In order to survive there he is partial to the elven cause and swore an oath to TNanshi but is not in the army. However, someone high in the army could ask this person, who has a loyality to TNanshi to say go and check fortifications for them. He/she sneaks down looks around and returns. However it can't be done because the guards are all hostile and some of the soldiers are.

Interesting, the PC is human, and looks no different than any other human there but still they know! I know, PFM (for those who are not aware of this engineering term ..Pure F*****g Magic

). And that is acceptable but there could have been some good IC roleplaying.

Oh well

PigLickJF · Post by **PigLickJF** » Fri Jul 04, 2003 9:50 pm

HarveyH wrote:

Completely off topic, but lol.

Someone discovered that mysterious 21st amino acid, eh?

PigLick

Aradan Kir · Post by **Aradan Kir** » Sun Jul 06, 2003 7:08 am

Had a bizarre thing happen last night - an elf was slain by the guards, and she went to limbo. I decided that I would move her corpse and all her stuff to a safer location, before trying to raise her. After picking up her corpse, there was still one on the ground, and the guards went mental !!

Guards from all over the city gate came running over and started hacking up the corpse on the floor .... they were in a frenzy! I had to take a
<a href="http://www.daveboon.pwp.blueyonder.co.u ... guards.jpg" target="_blank">screen grab</a>. All of the guards in the pic were attacking the corpse. It's a bit of a mess, but somewhere under all those guards is a corpse !

KinX · Post by **KinX** » Sun Jul 06, 2003 12:17 pm

yeah, that happens occasionally, the guards go into a blood frenzy and just keeps hacking away at the corpse. You gotta somehow get into them all and pick up the corpse or all the items and make the corpse disappear to make the blood hungry guards stop.

Aradan Kir · Post by **Aradan Kir** » Sun Jul 06, 2003 9:00 pm

ahh ... that makes sense. I only had room for half of her stuff (she sure did have a lot of crap), so that explains the frenzy.

Was kinda funny, as I was in the middle of it trying to pick up her stuff, and at first I thought they were attacking me because I was "stealing".

anyway - cheers for the info, I'll remember that next time