Avlis throws its hat into the ring: NWN2

Post by **Orleron** » Thu Mar 09, 2006 1:57 am

Triwise wrote:
Orleron wrote:Concerns about characters are answered in WFM forums.
Please Please Please!!

I love the Avlis world, I love what your team has done, But unless you offer a free 5 day trial on the WFM, stop pushing it.

I think you misunderstand me in that post.

It's not "buy buy buy buy".

It's "I don't feel like retyping the same things over and over again so either you can head over there or just wait until it does trickle out."

Either way, I'm fine with the decision.

Jhevon · Post by **Jhevon** » Thu Mar 09, 2006 2:05 am

Triwise wrote:Buy it for the sake of Avlis

There's the spirit!

Huzzah!!

Xandor Amakiir · Post by **Xandor Amakiir** » Thu Mar 09, 2006 1:36 pm

Brayon wrote:
Xandor Amakiir wrote:Forgive the storyteller for letting his mind race on, and yea ill join WF...

Clean start scenario...

NWN Avlis

Work towards a big bang moment. for example, demons from the underdark take over southern avlis ((or more)) Utter chaos, goverments collaps, cities taken over by bandit lords/dictators ((ED )) Demons rule the lands...

NWN2 Avlis

Start out with just the cities ((time has passed)) the old powers are regaining their lost strengh. Goal... Retake the cities, restore law and order there. The time this takes can be used to recreate the lands as the brave slowly progress in retaking their old teretories from the bandits and demons...

This way you have an excelent explenation why the orders/guilds etc have to be rebuild, and the plot is a tool in rebuilding the world...

Just my 50cent, i just know when i see a nice plot for a grand story
Orleron was right. Non-members say interesting things.

Join World Forge. Its a blast reading the events that may come to past. Or how the Shite might hit the fan, or not. The Avlis discussions on WFM is great, an added bonus to the other great content that I have seen.

Thanks

, working on it now, i love a good story in progress

Wel really i am psychic

but thats a secret...

Savagej · Post by **Savagej** » Tue Mar 14, 2006 6:30 pm

Lot's of pages to read here but no real answer to my question...actually... this is not a question per say but more of a request to Avlis/the team/Copap/ the boss Orl, before a conversion.. Please make a general rule about item's for nwn 2.. Since coming to play here so many problems have arose from overly powerfull stuff droping by accident/ coming from other world's etc etc.. Make the rule now along the line's of this one.. No Banned/uber weapons/armor/jewelery, shall be deamed worthy of keeping at anytime, it is not the fault of the team or the builders should it fall, it is illegal and shall be removed.See Illegal item list if you have inquieries. Anyone who has an an issue with this rule can kiss our hinnie's to bad so sad this is a low magic item enviroment and shall remain one. Okay the last sentence is over the top ,That would solve all issue's with who got what legally .. whiny folks crying about " well the server droped it i should be able to keep it" and solve the headache with having to do a background check for every overly/uber powered item seen by DM's. .... they could just notify the player it's gone..see rule listing one.. This would also open the door alowing the crafting comunity to hold all the card's concerning Item's. they would be able to make all and control all of the world's most powerfull item's and distribution of said item's.. Oh what would the dm's hand out for reward's you ask now? Personalized item's.. Item's only the highest / most experienced crafter's can make.

My 2 bit's
Savagej

scratch · Post by **scratch** » Tue Mar 14, 2006 7:52 pm

Savagej wrote: Please make a general rule about item's for nwn 2.. Since coming to play here so many problems have arose from overly powerfull stuff droping by accident/ coming from other world's etc etc.. Make the rule now along the line's of this one.. No Banned/uber weapons/armor/jewelery, shall be deamed worthy of keeping at anytime, it is not the fault of the team or the builders should it fall, it is illegal and shall be removed.See Illegal item list if you have inquieries. ...

Savagej

I don't know much about the history really but I would think that if Avlis finally has reached a point of balance on what the characters can and can't have... that is something that would be carried over to NWN2. As I understand it every player will have to start over with a new character because they don't export/import to NWN2. What I am saying is everyone starts over and the system is already in place. There would be no learning curve again or opportunity for characters to end up with high-end magic in a low-magic world.

just my oppinion.

Savagej · Post by **Savagej** » Wed Mar 15, 2006 4:26 am

I don't know much about the history really but I would think that if Avlis finally has reached a point of balance on what the characters can and can't have... that is something that would be carried over to NWN2. As I understand it every player will have to start over with a new character because they don't export/import to NWN2. What I am saying is everyone starts over and the system is already in place. There would be no learning curve again or opportunity for characters to end up with high-end magic in a low-magic world.

just my oppinion.

I fully agree there is an understanding that most have now .. My point is that there will be accidental Isd's , NWN2 is going to be basically rebuilding a world from scratch ( somewhat) . If a rule like I suggested is brought into effect there will be no excuses for overly powerfull item's being kept. ( and don't think there won't be whiner's who want to keep it and will cry and cry untill they can because there is no rule stating they can't, a rule like mine need's to be writen to keep the gear from ever being kept am i right?) In the early day's avlis had these drop's. they wern't intentional , and to keep everyone happy the team let them keep the drop's due to the fact they felt it was thier fault they droped.... I disagree I don't think it was the team's fault an isd was missed here or there,.. IMHO it never was... If a rule like mine was already established, avlis would be even more balanced, those coming from other server's with said item's would have been stoped at the portal or close to it .. given an option,, lose the stuff and continue on your merry way, or turn round take the stuff back from whence it came and enjoy your uber gear there. Also there would never have Been Off world shopping spree's( *cough's* Mythos * coughs*) none of the gear would have been legal hence it would not have been legal to bring it back.. My rule is meerly a sugestion,.. nip the problem in the bud before it causes a problem. The Dm's will have more time for story telling not checking inventories or spending hour's investigating trade's, arguing with folks wether or not the stuff they got was obtained legally etc etc. No excuses!! " Uber gear does not exist, even if it does drop, it was meerly a wet dream your character had while day dreaming in some cave infront of a chest "

Savagej

Savagej · Post by **Savagej** » Wed Mar 15, 2006 5:48 am

I'll be subcribing as soon as my job status is upgraded, playing here is well worth the 5 buck's? ( 6.75 canadian lol) a month,
Use the excuse that this new avlis isn't the same avlis as we know it, it's one position up or down the dimentional chart hence both world's can exist at the same time. The old avlis dosen't have to have any cataclismic event's for it 's end, it can run on merrily untill the new world is complete and the machine's needed to host the new mods, we can enjoy it untill it's final day's with no worries about how long we have to kill off our Char's and invent stories on how they were jumped through the heaven's from one dimention to the next ..

( *cough's* cheezy thing to do inventing a way to get an old character into the new world but

hell you get my drift , begining again at lvl one )
Mixing thing's up with the god's like maleki becoming the god of peace and healing and Char'eth becoming the god of pain and suffuring!! Fun things spicy thing's

I've alway's wanted to Yell out KILL THEM THEY WORSHIP CHA'RETH!! lol Or the warrior maiden's being feared because they come to loot and pilage, not bring you healing suplies, food and armorments

..

2 more bit's from me

Savagej

pstanton · Post by **pstanton** » Wed Mar 15, 2006 6:14 am

About the part where NWN 1 and 2 are incompatible. Does that mean everyone is starting over?!

That seems really awful in some ways. We have to start from the fekking begining?! Not that I'm unwilling to do that, but it seems like it would be almost tragic for the lvl 40's and everyone else who has gone epic....

Are we going to make no effort to transfer characters over? Are DMs going to be editing lvls and stats so we can make a rough continuation of our characters? Or if we go to NWN 2, is Avlis going to have a RP'd Apocolypse in which everyone will die sort of thing?

Gumble Tinkertumble · Post by **Gumble Tinkertumble** » Wed Mar 15, 2006 12:03 pm

pstanton wrote:About the part where NWN 1 and 2 are incompatible. Does that mean everyone is starting over?!

That seems really awful in some ways. We have to start from the fekking begining?! Not that I'm unwilling to do that, but it seems like it would be almost tragic for the lvl 40's and everyone else who has gone epic....

Are we going to make no effort to transfer characters over? Are DMs going to be editing lvls and stats so we can make a rough continuation of our characters? Or if we go to NWN 2, is Avlis going to have a RP'd Apocolypse in which everyone will die sort of thing?

Its funny, I remember a thread not too long ago that was talking about the fact that there are too many epics walking around! Maybe NWN2 is our chance to start a fresh, with some good old low level fun.

Czarcasm · Post by **Czarcasm** » Wed Mar 15, 2006 12:17 pm

pstanton wrote:Are we going to make no effort to transfer characters over? Are DMs going to be editing lvls and stats so we can make a rough continuation of our characters? Or if we go to NWN 2, is Avlis going to have a RP'd Apocolypse in which everyone will die sort of thing?

The timeline for NWN2 is not finalized yet. Most likely, the server will be during a time period where most or all PCs that exist on Avlis now don't/didn't exist. You'll have to check out the WordForge forums for more information. Additionally, NWN2 will likely only support up to level 20, initially. So no, PCs will not be edited to bring them to their current stats/level.

Havoulov · Post by **Havoulov** » Wed Mar 15, 2006 12:23 pm

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You see all have beaten on this horse before! One mans flagging brought it to life....for good.

Yay! yay! Yarrrrr!
[/shameless spaming and threadjacking]

Hamlet · Post by **Hamlet** » Wed Mar 15, 2006 1:33 pm

Czarcasm wrote:The timeline for NWN2 is not finalized yet. Most likely, the server will be during a time period where most or all PCs that exist on Avlis now don't/didn't exist. You'll have to check out the WordForge forums for more information. Additionally, NWN2 will likely only support up to level 20, initially. So no, PCs will not be edited to bring them to their current stats/level.

This is very good to hear, in fact. I shall finally be able to escape the tender grip of the two off-world PCs I have and create one Avlisian to really fit in. (Right now I just lack the strength to do so, eh).

pstanton · Post by **pstanton** » Fri Mar 17, 2006 2:53 am

What does this mean for Avlissian guilds and organizations? Like the AKN, Trust Mage Orders and the other assorted guilds and such?

Hi Mate · Post by **Hi Mate** » Sat Mar 18, 2006 12:51 am

Hamlet wrote:
Czarcasm wrote:The timeline for NWN2 is not finalized yet. Most likely, the server will be during a time period where most or all PCs that exist on Avlis now don't/didn't exist. You'll have to check out the WordForge forums for more information. Additionally, NWN2 will likely only support up to level 20, initially. So no, PCs will not be edited to bring them to their current stats/level.
This is very good to hear, in fact. I shall finally be able to escape the tender grip of the two off-world PCs I have and create one Avlisian to really fit in. (Right now I just lack the strength to do so, eh).

Yus.I agree..I think it would actually be good for all the people to start at the same level again..just getting back into a new world..thats similar to this one:P

jordenk · Post by **jordenk** » Sun Mar 19, 2006 9:02 pm

Well personally this is very exciting, the fact that this server and the World of Avlis will be made to support NWN 2, however this is just me and I lov ethe World the way it is, Im juts wondering will it be the same general concept? MIkona, Elysia, Degalos, Visimontium? The same type of land and atmosphere except modified to support a game like NWN 2?

Woody · Post by **Woody** » Mon Apr 03, 2006 3:19 pm

I tried looking this weekend but can't find anything regarding system expectations (to run NWN2) or when they expect it to come out.

I assume it'd be something like Spring/Summer/Fall/Winter 200? or something like that.

Anyone got any good links ?

myzmar · Post by **myzmar** » Mon Apr 03, 2006 3:29 pm

http://www.atari.com/nwn2 is a good link.

jordenk · Post by **jordenk** » Mon Apr 03, 2006 6:22 pm

This all sounds really good, i Think it re-distributes power and restores the balance. basicaly right now if my character wants to hold a posistion of power, he has to wait for a player to get tired of Avlis, like thats going to happen.... and there are soooo many epics so i think starting over will be good

Fifty · Post by **Fifty** » Mon Apr 03, 2006 6:48 pm

jordenk wrote:This all sounds really good, i Think it re-distributes power and restores the balance. basicaly right now if my character wants to hold a posistion of power, he has to wait for a player to get tired of Avlis, like thats going to happen.... and there are soooo many epics so i think starting over will be good

I think it is entirely possible for new players to get positions of power. And if you can't get one of the current positions of power, find or create new ones.

My character's route to power would through being a lore master, working at the University, becoming a member of government, and now, um.. oh, wait, no, not up to anything else these days. Nothing at all. Nothing to see here, move along, move along, these aren't the droids you are looking for.

Seriously though, if you want a position of power, you could do worse than lookingat reviving the Avlis Tower University and using it as a base to expand from.

DanishPastry · Post by **DanishPastry** » Mon Apr 03, 2006 7:43 pm

Ambition + Dedication + Time Invested => Power

You will find several non-epic PCs who over time have attained a great deal of power IG and you will find BILLIONS AND BILLIONS OF EPIC BATTLEMAGES who are quite insignificant.

Li'll Divvil · Post by **Li'll Divvil** » Mon Apr 03, 2006 8:07 pm

If you want a position of power, you don't have to wait for others to get tired of their high power chars and quit. You can scheme, gather followers usurp power if you wish it so.

I mean do you have to have power to have fun? Nope

Do you have to be epic to have power? Hells no, my char is epic, but she doesn't wield much power, mostly because I choose it to be like that, and she's not ambitious in that way so it would be ooc for her.

If you want to wield power, the thing you need is time, focus (you'd need to play that char for a prodigious amount of time to establish yourself) and an ambitious char, personally I wouldn't have the time to invest in maintaining a position like that in a PW world, since my playtime consists of snippets here and there aside from a weekend.

Fuzz · Post by **Fuzz** » Mon Apr 03, 2006 8:22 pm

How about everyone stop worrying about NWN2 until it's actually close to coming out, and instead just play and enjoy NWN1 Avlis?

Fifty · Post by **Fifty** » Mon Apr 03, 2006 8:23 pm

True, right now I guess Kurathene is more important than NWN2.

Cassandros · Post by **Cassandros** » Wed May 10, 2006 4:32 am

Fifty wrote:True, right now I guess Kurathene is more important than NWN2.

Faeldridge · Post by **Faeldridge** » Sat May 20, 2006 3:59 am

The thought of phasing out Avlis to go to NWN2 depresses me.

There is no Linux (or Macintosh) support for NWN2. Forget about the fact that NWN runs 3x faster on Linux, forget about the fact that the best features of Windows have been shamelessly copied (or at least inspired) from these two OS's...

By playing on the new Avlis, I would have to prosper an opressive and insideous malignancy on the contemporary human mind. NWN was a great thing of beauty because of its open and community based nature (very Linux/GNU like). Because of this community, it has literally been forged into works its creators never even considered -- CoPap and avlis are such creations -- Shining examples of the marvels that are manifested when the human mind is given the freedom to explore its boundaries.

I know it sounds like I'm OS bashing here, but I am not (although there is plenty of fodder for that!). Regardless of technical preferences, I have simply observed what is obvious to anyone who detaches themselves enough from the imperitive to consume, and looks further down the road: We are being corralled and fleeced. We are being coddled into cages, and conned into believing we have choice. Every time we purchase software that only runs on Windows we empower our opressor, and every day we are robbed of choices we never knew we could even have. Of this I am certain: If Bioware/Atari would have released NWN with MS principles, Avlis would never have existed (certainly not for free!).

I don't expect to gain "converts" here... but because of my love for Avlis, I had to state what weighs heavily on my heart. It is my hope that there will be a Linux release of NWN2, and I will happily join you all on the new Avlis. If not, I will have a serious ethical dilemma ahead of me...

F