Nobility in Le'Or T'Nanshi

[Rain&Clouds]

This is from the world information:

Although it is not a law, it often happens that only Nobles can get elected to the Council of Nine. This is not seen as a problem by the elves, for most common elves have absolutely no interest in politics or governing, and they have little intention of catching the eye of the government.

Noble families in T'Nanshi are not the same as in a typical human nation. Nobility is not equated with land ownership or money in elven society. For the elves, a noble family is simply a family who has played a big part in the history of the elves at some point in time. When a family earns a distinction to set it apart from the normal elven families, it is considered noble. It just so happens, that MOST of these families ALSO have successful business dealings that have made them wealthy, but it is not true of all the noble families.

I found a post where Orleron told someone that to make a noble character he could pick one of the nine noble families that you can find information about in the Capitol District.



My questions are: To make a new noble family, just how big would their influence have had to be in T'Nanshi? My character is (currently) a woodmistress in the army and has been awarded two medals so far, and her fiancé is a rangermaster who has a medal as well (I think); if they get married, prove themselves in the war and T'Nanshi wins it (Dru'El willing!) could they start a new noble family? Would other noble families frown at them for not being as good as them? Would they be lesser nobles?


Thanks in advance!

[Talwin Hawkins]

I would like to think all the special forces in the army - on the winning side would be considered heros. Heros = respect, therefore nobility would be obtainable? I am also quite interested in this.

[Kieron]

well given that once the war is won, all of Le'Or will be
1. farmland for humans or
2. a private hunting reserve under the control of the Reavers and their giant allies
this discussion is a dead horse no?

[Talwin Hawkins]

no.

[Fire Monkey]

Given the lifespan of elves realistically a Noble family would have to expect to have at least 1000years of history with members in a position of influence or power etc. at least IMO.

So far it has been proven on several occasions that even a position as Rangermaster or General holds relatively little respect in the eyes of the Council. We are do T'Nanshi good service of course but we remain servants to the Spirit Land and certainly are no where near equal to the members of the Council.

[Rain&Clouds]

My opinion is that, if nobles become nobles for services to T'Nanshi, then their life-span or their family history shouldn't really oppose them becoming nobles. It HAS to start somewhere, and if two elves were heroes in T'Nanshi and started a family... why not be considered nobles?

The impression I get from playing is that nobility in T'Nanshi is often given to heroes, and their children do not necessarily enjoy the same priviledge, it just happens that they follow their parents' footsteps in protecting the spirit land. This is possibly not the truth, but it's the feeling I get from what I know about the elves in T'Nanshi and their way of life.


Of course that we're probably not considered good enough in the army (though I have had some great run in's with characters who knew me OOC and were from T'Nanshi and when I said my name they roleplayed they had heard of me. Really means much more than being a noble or anything!! ) but I would still like to hear what the team thinks of it

What if the next Gentleman-like thing that threatens T'Nanshi is defeated by my character? I would really like to hear what the team's opinion is on this

[Arandil]

I think you'd have be at least General rank in the army to qualify...

[Wyrmwing]

IMO (not necessarily the team's), nobility is a prestige reward at least, but more likely to be the culmination of a very long time of excellent rp and achievement. Put this on the same line of positions such as members of a government or other (npc) ruling body, high priests, and other positions in that trend. Only a small handful have gained such a reward, and only a small handful will in the future.

You won't get it by being high level. You won't even get it if you rp well. You get it because your character is a perfect example of the role he or she is rewarded with, both in terms of longterm rp and achievement, and most importantly of all, because the team feels you deserve it as a player.

Consider this: Boots of Speed have been given out more times than a reward like this. That should give you an idea of the rarity.

[Rain&Clouds]

Something else I forgot to mention.

Not speaking about general nobility with elves, but my character specifically, her family's history is completly unknown to her. Her life tale is too long (and depressing!!) for me to write here, but I left many holes in it on purpose back when I made Amy, so it is possible that she is from anywhere from Mystara to Avlis, maybe from Hala, or anywhere else really


Currently she has many unanswered questions, that I didn't find an answer to yet on purpose. Her parents could have once been in a troupe like the sable troupe, or they could have been criminals (this would be a longshot though). What would be the kind of prestige that my character would need to be considered a noble? I would like to know this so I can tell if it's possible for her to have had a history here in T'Nanshi (it would have to fill all the gaps in her story though).

I read an old post from Emrys (the one I mentioned earlier) and I got the opinion that roleplaying a noble was not cheesing at all, just incredibly challenging (but who doesn't love challenging roleplay?).


So even if my character's parents were nobles in T'Nanshi, would this increase her chance of ever becoming one? I have the feeling that it shouldn't, but it's something I'd like to have confirmed or denied

[Wyrmwing]

According to this thread:

We encourage players to come up with great backgrounds for their PC's, but like in PnP, if your character has a special background, you must clear it with the DM. We are just making sure the players know that.

Noble ancestors, even it is only a option or rumour, would fall under this. So before anyone goes around proclaiming nobility and other unusual character quirks, get it cleared up with the team. Usually, this would mean sending the character's background to the team for approval.

[Rain&Clouds]

Thank you That is what I thought from reading Orleron's response, I just need to have some questions answered now to east my curiosity

[Talwin Hawkins]

is it ok to post a characters history well after i started playing. ive never played pnp or any kind of RP before avlis. even though when i rolled up the character i had a concept for him, i feel i could write a good background and history for him now that i have played and RPed in Avlis for quite a while.

you dont have to have the history from level 1?

[Snow]

Give it up, you two, you're not becoming nobles so you can run around demanding respect

Back to the WZ with you

[Wyrmwing]

As long as the character's history makes sense from the character's perspective, is logical with the avlis setting, and doesn't break any other rules set into place, post/mail ahead and we'll see.

The only time though, that the team really should have to take a look at character backgrounds though is if would require approval, might contain a few points that the team would want to know about, or if we have an interest in the character's background ourselves (in which case we'll let you know). In all other cases, we assume it won't cause any problems IG and generally let players be creative.